That is beautiful

thanks

To forgive you must first believe that someone has done something wrong - I used to believe in forgiving, but now I give them thanks, gratitude and praise for being my teacher and helping me learn because everything/everyone has a lesson for me.

richard schrei
www.soundshaman.com

when i say i forgive that translates as:
i am learning, accepting and letting it go.

To forgive does not mean you have assigned blame or have decided what is right and wrong. it means you can accept what happened and let it go.
for give = let it go = allowing peace (learning) to blossom from the experience.

thank you for visiting and commenting. I look forward to more communication this way.

and woohoo! there is a package here ( my neighbor just brought it up) for me to enjoy from you!! : )
thank you so much!

I don't know who this is directed at or if it is directed at an individual. Is it directed at an aspect of self?
I don't know that, but, what I do know is thems healing words woman!

Brew

Iyanla Vanzants glossary, book titled:
Faith in the Valley
(paraphrased)
"Forgiveness...to allow change to take place. An appeal for healing of the consciousness."

Main Entry: for·give
Pronunciation: f&r-'giv, for-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): for·gave /-'gAv/; for·giv·en /-'gi-v&n/; -giv·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English forgifan, from for- + gifan to give
transitive senses
1 a : to give up resentment of or claim to requital for b : to grant relief from payment of
2 : to cease to feel resentment against (an offender) : PARDON
intransitive senses : to grant forgiveness
·giv·er noun

From what I know of Thomai, this means she has "let the processing begin!" regarding an issue around something that has come up in her life.
She is giving and at the same time is not about to lie down and ask that she be abused. That would not be right or wrong, it would be stupid.
Sounds like a mini rebirth? or maybe I am projecting?
L.B.


and a note to L.B. and others who have trouble posting here:
email comments to tmetahara@hotmail.com (it's going to be my Live Journal email)

thanx

January 24, 2006
You might start giving a little more thought to how you can expand your range of opportunities right now. The hard part may be deciding exactly where you'd like to direct your focus. But whatever you do, you should discover that your efforts have all been worthwhile as people are bound to realize just how effective you can really be.

this is exactly what you were talking about this morning!

I guess your right. Cause this Poem? Rant? Peace offering? Doesn't sound like you. It sounds a little too resentfull???? I am not sure what it is, it just isn't exactly you. Sorry, telling it like you do.....

"I used to believe in forgiving, but now I give them thanks, gratitude and praise"
Oh puh-lease! I'm grateful for the lessons I've learned from my life's experience, but the concept of thanking the actual perpetrator of a wrong and hurtful act is just acid trip insane. My gratitude is to the people (and God) who support through those experiences, not to the person who did something wrong enough to create a need for forgivness. I know I'm being adamant about this, but gratitude for hurt is the symptom of a victim mentality, not a wise saying to be passed on.
"To forgive does not mean you have assigned blame"
Actually it kind of does mean that. You may not have assigned ALL of the blame to one party, but you can't forgive someone you don't think is responsible for whatever is being forgiven - that isn't logical. However, sometimes blame is APPROPRIATELY assigned and you shouldn't feel guilty for knowing you've been wronged, as long as you also take responsibility when you wrong others. (And you should definitely feel good when you have the strength to forgive and move on!)

It's a process, I'm not now nor have i ever been a victim. Perhaps you feel you are or have been in the past? I SEE things differently. I believe we are all emmanations of one universal infinite spirit/energy. I am responsible for how I respond you are responsible for how you respond. blame is assigning responsibility for how you responded. Rather than judging i choose to accept that there are behaviors that cause challenges (some more extreme than others) find the lesson in it, find the good/divine/grace in it.

regardless of what comes to YOUR mind or anyone elses mind, when I say Forgive- I mean let go of, give away to the universal spirit.

We forgive the village idiot (let go of the pain associated with what was experienced due to his idocy). after we forgive the village idiot, we do not give him more responsibility.


forgiveness and rehabilitation work well together.

forgive does not necessarily mean to blame, it does not necessarily exclude blame either...what ever way to peace works for - works-

"Nonviolence attacks forces of evil and acts of evil, but never persons as evil. Nonviolence believes in the utimate good of every person and seeks reconciliation."

Hmmm - I notice that you picked up on "To forgive does not mean you have assigned blame" which was not even close to what I had said nor do I believe that. I simply said that in order to forgive you must first have the belief that someone has done something wrong that needs to be forgiven.

I'm very thankful for the many definitions of "forgive" that have been posted. However, if one reaches a point of nothingness - knowing that "I" am nothing ... then no one can cause harm -- please don't take this wrong, yes, physical/emotional harm is real and does happen to others -- however, I have found in my life that when I remove my ego completely and become "no thing", then what is left to be harmed or hurt? Can we hurt no thing?

When one reaches enlightenment, the physical things of this world dissolve and life becomes filled with unconditional love and continual happiness. It is only how we react to things that causes us harm. If you believe that you have been hurt, then you have; if you believe you've been taught a lesson, then you have.

Love, Light & Harmony
rich

right, forgive=let go
same thing
different words